Talk:Ancient Egyptian religion

July 2017

STOP!!! As it stands now (July 2017) this a great page in terms of accuracy, referencing and lack of bias. It's the best Ancient Egypt page I've read on Wikipedia, and I've read most of them. Please don't screw it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.148.250 (talk) 09:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

194.168.148.250: I wrote nearly all of the current version of this article, and I'm happy to hear that you think of it so highly. But I have learned a great deal about ancient Egyptian religion since I stopped working on this article, and trust me, there is a lot to improve. For the past several years I've been working on improving sub-articles on the same topic (my favorite being ancient Egyptian deities). I do intend to come back to this one someday, when I feel knowledgeable enough about all of the subtopics to treat them all accurately, and rest assured that when I rework it I will do so carefully. No other Wikipedians seem interested enough to work much on ancient Egyptian religion topics, so I don't think you'll need to worry that this article will change anytime soon.

Incidentally, when leaving a new comment on a talk page, please click "new topic" so your comment will go at the bottom of the page. A. Parrot (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I find it laughable the amount of Bullshit in this article

Maybe it's from the sources but you couldn't be more wrong about so many things. So animals weren't considered sentient beings by the AEs? They were just objects. Like for Christian's. Allanana79 (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Allanana79: If you have any reliable sources that contradict what this article says, please cite them and explain what exactly what you think should be changed. Otherwise, your comment is pointless. A. Parrot (talk) 23:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

if you know so much about this topic, why the fuck are you reading this? are you reading it just to criticie it? dont you have better things to do? dont waste your time on trying to find falts on the article when you could get a life. 98.202.121.183 (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Uhh yeah. Look at their 41 Ideals of Ma At. That should be a clue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanana79 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Allanana79: I assume that you mean the forty-two declarations of innocence connected with the weighing of the heart against Maat, but that doesn't clarify much. What are you arguing that the article should say? A. Parrot (talk) 01:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

November 2018

Does Anubis or Osiris judge souls? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2D80:4019:9050:8453:447F:13FC:C1B8 (talk) 02:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

2604:2D80:4019:9050:8453:447F:13FC:C1B8: Osiris, as ruler of the afterlife, judges the soul. In the familiar "weighing of the heart" scene, Anubis oversees the scales that weigh the heart, but it is Osiris who presides over the judgment. A. Parrot (talk) 05:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Honors World Religions

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Bag0hchipz (article contribs). Peer reviewers: AggieGM.

— Assignment last updated by Jad Mada (talk) 05:22, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The difference between ancient Egyptian religion and Hinduism

Let's study the difference between ancient Egyptian religion and Hinduism 196.224.27.224 (talk) 18:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

The ancient Egyptian religion was a polytheistic belief under the worship of the main god

The direction of worship of the ancient Egyptians has basically remained unchanged. It can be inferred that the ancient Egyptian religion was a polytheistic belief under the worship of the main god. Ancient Egyptians respected north, so they faced north. In the painting, even when turning sideways, the eyes and shoulders are facing the north to express worship of the northern god. The so-called saying that painting does not understand perspective ignores the pious beliefs of the ancient Egyptians. 黎显慧 (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian Religion not "considered an African Religion"

Last night I added the Traditional African religions portal to the page, only for the user @Remsense to state that AE Religion is not "generally considered part of this series" and remove the template, he likewise removed the TAR portal from the Kushite religion page. On what basis are these two religions not considered African religions? NisutBity (talk) 11:22, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Is this generally "part of a series" on this subject or not? That's the question, and it hasn't been substantiated. From what I understand, they're often treated as separate fields though obviously with some communication and connective tissue, and the connections in templates and articles that I've seen are tacked on and uncited. Remsense ‥ 论 00:44, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I have asked you now several times to define what you consider traditional African religion since you took it upon yourself to remove the ATR template from both the Ancient Egyptian religion and Kushite religion pages. The traditional African religion page provides information and discussion of ethnic African religions that originated in the continent or have some tie back into it(hence some entries on African Diaspora religions). On what basis does the AE religion and Kushite religion, two religions indigenous to the African continent, not count as traditional African religions? What will be a justification "of substance"(to use your words) that will sufficiently substantiate that those two religions do meet the criteria? And how is it that numerous other African religions(broken down into regions, with AE and Kush's regions clearly specified), most of whom have very little to do with each other(Yoruba religion is very much different from Dogon religion, for example) are still part of the same subject, which is the traditional ethnic religions(note that definition didn't say "modern only" or "Sub-Saharan Africa" which really seems to be what you're getting at but not actually saying) of the peoples of the African continent? NisutBity (talk) 01:11, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Again, it's a field of study, as I've mentioned several times. We're not at liberty to expand or discern the scopes of articles based on what we find appealing or coherent, and juxtapose different bodies of research in what effectively creates parallels that aren't there. To what degree is Egyptian religion, say, discussed in journals about African religions as opposed to those about Near Eastern ones? How often do comparative monographs get published, or edited volumes that bracket Egypt alongside other religions indigenous to Africa? More concretely—to what degree do the conceptual categories as described on Traditional African religions overlap or apply? At present, like I've said several times, there is zero evidence of it that would justify such a listing. A mere geographical formalism should obviously not suffice. Remsense ‥ 论 01:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Nor are you at liberty to minimize or discern the scopes of articles based on what you find appealing, comforting, or coherent. There are reams of books, journal articles, academic conferences, etc, that have highlighted Ancient Egypt and the Kingdom of Kush's place in Africa and their ties to other African civilizations, to include comparing and contrasting their religions with other African religions. There is also a substantive body of research on the historiography of Ancient Egypt and the older tendencies to completely segregate it from the rest of the continent, and recent academic trends in the opposite direction, in Egyptology and in other fields. Same with the Kingdom of Kush which had long been treated as an alter-ego of Ancient Egypt but is now seen as a full fledged civilization in its own right. This is something you yourself could've found simply by searching any academic journal database. How many citations referring to Ancient Egyptian religion in connection to other African religions is necessary to meet your "justification of substance"? You seem more like you are making a defense for Ancient Egypt not being African in anything but geography, which is completely irrelevant to an article about the ethnic religions of the people of Africa, not the scope of how that subject is taught in whichever university you want to pick from. NisutBity (talk) 01:30, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Then I'd like to see any reflection of that in Traditional African religions that actually cites its sources first, especially if it's as easy as you say—because at present the connection you're trying to add does nothing for the reader who would like to learn more. Without citations, it is a superfluous dead end that readers should not be expected to take our word for. That's why the WP:BURDEN, as always, is on the person wanting to add claims to properly cite them. Remsense ‥ 论 01:31, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Sure thing, I will add citations over the weekend discussing Ancient Egyptian and Kushite religion(which you also seem to be glossing over despite reverting that page too) in African religion journals and I would like to see you also apply that same standard to every single individual religion mentioned on that page that isn't backed by numerous citations reiterating that those specific religions are indigenous to the African continent and are to be viewed as traditional African religions, since you seem fine with those not having a bunch of individual citations stating those religions are African because you consider that generally included in the topic. NisutBity (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

If the notion is well-supported, I have no issue. I'm not responsible for mistakes others have already made and I can't be everywhere at once, and often can only tackle edits I see pop up on my watchlist that have potential issues. Thanks for engaging in good faith. Remsense ‥ 论 01:43, 7 March 2025 (UTC)